Perfect Blue
Ani-May continues on and this time we are looking back nearly 30 years to the classic psychological thriller that introduced the western world to the intricacies of Japanese Idol culture and unhealthy parasocial fandom in that sub-culture, all through the singular vision of the acclaimed director Satoshi Kon. Based loosely on the novel Perfect Blue: Complete Metamorphosis by writer Yoshikazu Takeuchi, this film explores the trauma of sexual assault, the fear and uncertainty of dealing with stalkers, and the existential dread that comes from gaslighting and potential mental collapse from an unravelling reality. It is a far cry from the usual anime of the same time period and it remains as topical and relevant today as it was in 1997.
Dion made the call for us to watch this, as he wanted a classic piece of Anime, what none of us were really prepared for was the uncompromising film that we watched. Jill was far more up to speed on the content and style while Quinny thought he’d seen it and then realised he probably hadn’t. All of them had a lot to process from this episode.
Please note the film does include some disturbing and graphic imagery of sexual assault, and our podcast does discuss the content. As such a heavy trigger warning if advised.
Synopsis
A pop singer gives up her career to become an actress, but she slowly goes insane when she starts being stalked by an obsessed fan and what seems to be a ghost of her past.
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Dion Audience advisory this episode includes discussions of sexual assault, trauma, and mental health support for managing difficult feelings around these topics. Is available from 1800 respect 1800 seven 37732 or Lifeline on 131114. Dion Here. Oh, and welcome to the periodic table of awesome. My name is Diana. Tonight I am joined by Jill and Quinny and the most perfect of perfect minasan. It’s Amazon. Which one? Is it? Quinny Carlson. Dion Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello to Casper. There you are. Hello. It’s Ani-may. Yes, that’s right. Is we’re midway through Annie May. Quinny We’re we’re more than midway, but you know we’re we’re we’re living it and loving it. And what going deep into the anime goodness. Dion Right into the anime. Goodness, yes, it’s it’s it’s anime and last week cause we did the Rosa Visaya, which was the old the sorry new one of the old School 1 and now we’re going to. My pick for this one. I’m going to come right out and say that I went down a list of anime that I saw was like, oh, this one was really oh, so totally caught. Oh, I’ve never seen that one. I’m gonna pick that one. Yay. That’s my pick. And now, boy. Perhaps mayhap I should have read just anything about the. I know, right? It’s just just a casual glance across what was going on, but also. Perfect. Like it’s it’s it’s it’s anime, this is what you’re getting from this look. JIll Big deal. Speaker Hmm. JIll This is a classic piece of cinema and I’m glad that you’ve watched it. Deon and quinny. I’m glad to hear that you have also watched it, thinking you had seen it before, but you had it. Dion Yeah. Speaker 4 Hmm. Quinny I I yeah. No. Well, and if I have, I had watched it in such a way that I clearly wasn’t paying enough attention to it. Like there were parts of it that I’m like, ****, this is really familiar, like and. And I was thinking, OK, I’m pretty sure I must have watched this in some capacity at some point. But. Had no ******* clue. Yeah, I was watching until you watch it as an adult with the full ******* awareness. Cause this, this this came out in 1997, yeah. Speaker Way. Yeah. Quinny Which is. A long time ago. Dion Yeah. Yes, there was a lot going on in that time and it was, it was before the turn of the Millennium. There you go. It’s pre millennials. Quinny I was probably, I thought about it. I reckon I would have seen this as a part of the University of Tasmania Anime Society. Ohh yeah. JIll You’re in a uni anime club. Nice. Quinny I was 100% in a uni anime. Dion Club, were you the President of such club or the treasurer of such club or the the person that they don’t allow anymore into such clubs? Quinny I go along. Ohh, they don’t allow me, that’s for sure. But the president was our good friend, Bruce Moyle, which is How I Met Bruce. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Yeah. Yeah. So Bruce was running the the Utahs Anime society, and I’m pretty sure that at some point in time during the first couple of years of uni, he got to do a screening of perfect blue. Now whether it was with thanks like like whether it was working with madmen. No. JIll Yeah, Mad Men. Quinny Was it was madman around in 97. Dion I don’t. JIll Know, maybe not. Quinny Yeah. So that that’s what I’m thinking. I was like or he may have because like, this is sort of from the period where I was getting anime from my friend who was getting it from. The. UK like he was getting VHS tapes with the old Mang from Manga Entertainment. JIll Right. OK. Yes. Quinny You know, and this was definite. Ohh. OK. So thank you. Casper. Founded 4th of August 1996. So who knows? Maybe. Maybe we did get it through then. But yeah, like I was, that was my experience of anime. It was like trading VHS tapes. ****. JIll Yeah. Jesus Christ, did I did have anime on VHS. This is the moment where I confess that I ran an anime club in my hometown. Dion I mean, come on like. Perfect. Quinny Ohh, your weed powers are strong. JIll Yeah, so after I did like my high school exchange to Japan like a few years after that, like there was like, hey, I’m gonna get together with the society that ran the exchange program and say, what if we put together like a youth group and we can have like, anime meet ups and get more people. Interested in doing the exchange program? So yeah, I did that back in old Camden. Quinny And and and did it work? Did you get people interested in the exchange program? Speaker Sure. Yeah. Speaker 4 See. JIll Yeah, we did. And then we ran a. A group trip for people out of school as well. Quinny Holy ****, look at you go being an ambassador. Speaker Yes. JIll Jesus. Yeah, I was. Dion You know, I feel bad now. Like I only had my first experience of anime from. Good old sex before soccer. In, in the wildness of. Ohh well, they’re movies that were supposed to be shown on the, you know, regular channels had finished and then there was nothing really else on what’s on SBS before they click over to you know. Whatever soccer was there and I was like, what, Cura? Sure, I’ll give that a go. Yeah. What’s you doing, you legend of the atmosphere? Speaker Ohh wow. Quinny No. Dion Holy ****. Quinny I cannot believe that they put that on SBS. Dion I know, OK and. JIll Oh my God, Casper. That is where I also fell. In love with Gamma SBS. Quinny Ah, nice. But they all said, like there was. Dion Other liquid television, there’s a bunch of you cheat on there. Yeah. And then you switch over to rage and watch rage when it got, like, when it got to the soccer. I’m like no time for rage. Quinny Ohh God yes **** I loved SBS in the 90s, yeah. Dion And. Quinny Yeah, and. And all introduced by Dez Mangan, the great ******* Dez. JIll Yes. Speaker 4 Mangan. Yeah. Quinny The the driest ************ on the face of the planet. But yeah, anyway, so this is this is where we’re where we’re at like we’re in. Dion Yeah. OK. JIll Kids these days, they won’t understand. Quinny No. We’re we’re in late 90s anime territory. We’re we’re trading tapes. We’re finding it through our friends and we’re we’re hearing about these things and going. Speaker 4 Ohh what’s this perfect? Quinny Blue film. Dion Yeah. JIll I’m pretty sure. I did not watch it on original release because in 1997 I was 13 years old. So yeah, pretty sure. I’m pretty sure I didn’t, but. Quinny Yes, hope you didn’t watch it on original list. JIll I did watch it. Dion Look, it’s it’s an interesting legacy of the film. Speaker 4 Hmm. Dion Like, I mean, as I said, I picked it up because I looked at a list of famous animes that I hadn’t seen and picked one off that because I wanted to just go through it and that’s how I got there cause it was like look, you know, I remember Satyricon mainly from paprika which was which very heavily influenced. The inception stuff and then you know, reading more about this one, about how this in influenced a whole bunch of creators in Hollywood, from Aronofsky to Madonna. Yeah, I know, right? Quinny I mean, there’s some discussion as to whether or not it influenced Aronofsky, or whether he just ******* rips it off bowlers. I mean, there’s there’s definitely points where they. Dion But you know. Met each other like way before and it there was definitely homage scenes. To this and you know. Quinny Yeah, but once again, is it an homage or is it a straight ******* rip off? Speaker 4 Look, if people are. Dion Just doing AI before AI is around. If you’re gonna have an issue with that quinny, I have this director called Quentin Tarantino. You might be. Interested in? Quinny OK, fair enough. Dion Yes, but perfect blue. I sat down and I watched it and I was like. Speaker 4 Well, it’s. Dion A fascinating psychological drama. Thriller when you get pulled apart and everyone and I still don’t understand why there are so many videos that are like finally, the ending to perfect blue explain. I’m like, well, you’re not paying attention when you. Watch the *******. JIll Thing. Yeah, exactly. Dion It’s just, it’s just fine. Quinny Really. JIll Sometimes he is not meant to understand an ending, and sometimes they’re left, uh, uh. Hang on, what’s the word I was trying to say? Ambiguous. Quinny No. Speaker 4 Yes, on videos. Speaker I was going to say. JIll Oh, I was going to say oblivious. No, I’m, like, ambiguous, oblivious on purpose. Quinny Yeah. I love a good oblivious ending. Speaker Yeah. Quinny And and I think like the reason I think I had such a a sort of weird thing with this one is I wouldn’t have gotten this. Back in 97, like, I’m pretty sure like you know, most of what I’d seen up until that point was the the pretty traditional anime stuff I’d seen Akira seen fist of the North Star, seen some Dominion tank police and and stuff like that, Cyber city 08/08/08. I was like, yeah, I was *******. Odd wave for for a while there before anyone knew what the **** a wave was. And. I think all of those were were kind of like, yeah, there’s cool characters, big hair and **** like this. This is not that. At all this. This is like this could so easily be. A live action film. JIll Yeah. Quinny And to be honest, I’m actually surprised that nobody has actually attempted to, but I’m really also really glad they haven’t, because like there’s something about this that is really, you know, beautiful the way that it is. It’s it’s stunningly made, yeah. Do you do you want a synopsis to? Do you want some kind? Of. Indicator as to what the film is about. No, there’s not gonna be **** accent. Dion You sure there’s no ship accent? Cause I’ve got also got absolutely no idea what’s. On the music cue sheet. Ah, I don’t know. Quinny Is it a? Is it an idol number? Dion Just no, I don’t have an item number. You’re just going to get the Madam Web theme, chum, chum chum. Speaker Hi. JIll Heavy. Speaker 4 Quinny A pop singer gives up her career as an aspiring idol to become an actress, but she slowly goes insane when she starts being stalked by an obsessed fan and what seems to possibly be a ghost of her past or of her past self. JIll That’s. Yeah, that’s ridiculous. Yeah, it it just leads the obligors. Yeah. Quinny Very short synopsis. It’s it’s obliquus. It sounds like an obligate system. So to to people who who, you know, have never seen it. I mean, congratulations. I hope you go and watch it after this. I actually really would like everybody. Actually, I’d. Speaker 4 Sure. He said. Dion Why can’t you recommend this to people? It’s like. Speaker Ohh. Dion Goodbye, judge. Quinny Yeah, OK. I would really. I think people would would get a lot. Out of this film. If you go and watch it. But go in with your eyes well and truly. If I can open. JIll Yeah, definitely heed the warnings that we gave you at the top of the show because it’s. It’s a difficult watch as well as like. And interesting viewing experience in terms of like it’s it’s an art house cinema film. It’s just in animated form. And I think it does like a very beautiful job of storytelling and like not necessarily the animation. Speaker 4 Hmm. JIll Style is like. Blow your socks off out of this world, but I think the. The choices that are made throughout the film are are very interesting. There’s just a little bit of hard content in there. Dion Yeah. And like, I mean, you know, one of the the issues like that that you you sort of see from some anime that comes to is like, oh, it’s just a lot of, you know, **** and terrible scenes and and assaults and stuff. And it’s like, OK, but in this one, it’s contextualized in a way that is servicing the narrative, even though it’s still there. And it’s a little bit more confronting that. I was. Like ready for, even though thankfully Jill gave you know us all a a broad spectrum kind of like, hey, just be aware there’s a lot of this in there and I was like, ohh, OK. And it wasn’t so much so that I thought that it was too disturbing. I just feel like in in the context of the whole thing, I’m like, oh, yeah, this is really hard. Because it’s following the narrative and it’s going through more of the responses to trauma and how people are have. Mental health issues and what that’s about, because it’s not really about those things, it’s about the consequences of those things, which makes it really interesting. Film to watch like you know, and to digest. And as you sort of go through, it’s like, oh, this is a horrible thing, even though. You know, that’s one small part of it. There’s a whole lot of the narrative that’s going along with it, and it’s more interesting because you’re not quite sure about what is going on through most of the film. And that was the really disturbing. It’s like, oh, that’s the disturbing nature of it. It’s. Speaker 4 Yeah. JIll Yeah. Dion It’s not so much the scenes, it’s the it’s the fact that it’s it’s creating havoc everywhere else it’s touching. JIll Yeah, it really puts you in the protagonist shoes, because like, you’re as much in the dark as to what’s going on as she is. So you think you’re following the story, but then you’re completely thrown for a loop. And yeah, it’s. Dion Yeah. Quinny Hmm. Dion Sure. It’s always asking that narrative question as you go through the whole thing is who is that person and is that? A real thing like hallucination trauma, like processing of grief and trauma, is a is a big narrative theme that goes through it. Quinny True. Yeah. JIll And like for for most of the film, you’re like, Oh yeah, I know exactly what’s going on, but then there’s just, like, well and truly a moment where you’re, like, ohh ****, maybe I actually don’t know. The actual truth. Dion Yeah, maybe I’m not right. OK. And all also it’s so conflicting because all of the people that kind of get let, let’s be honest, this one is this has sexual assault murder. Quinny Yeah. Dion Mental health issues. Trauma. Lots of stalking, a whole bunch of stuff there. But I mean, sometimes you sort of sit there and you’re like, yeah, but that person deserves to die. JIll Yeah. Dion And sort of and. All the while, like as the meta narrative that I love going through is, they’re filming a movie about like, a mass serial murderer killing a bunch of people. And yet all of this stuff is happening concurrently and you, we’re we’re focused on one character. Speaker 4 Sorghums. Quinny Hmm. Dion Who’s having a breakdown, basically. Quinny Yeah, so I mean. People who who have seen some other films and we mentioned Darren Aronofsky before, if you’ve seen Black Swan you you have very, very much seen a film that is playing in the same ballpark as this to the point where like the the lead characters are. Speaker Ohh yeah. Quinny Meaner and sorry, Mima and Nina and there are shots that are almost replicated. There’s an awful lot of very similar sort of themes and ideas and ways of representing it, so if you’ve seen. Speaker Hmm. Quinny That you’ve got a bit of an idea where it’s at, but this instead of being said in the world of ballet, is set in the sort of dual realm of an idle performer. And who has decided that she no longer wants to be an idle performer now moving into now? Is it meant to be a film or a TV drama? JIll I think it’s a TV drama. It’s an episodical. Quinny Right, OK. I was. I was never 100% clear on that. Yeah. So what I I also one of the things I would never have understood back in the day, the whole idol culture like. Understanding what the whole thing is of of young guys who will go and watch idol performances and. JIll Not. Not even young guys. Quinny And OK, I was being kind. Dion Can you can you explain this just just quickly to me more than anyone else listening or watching it’s. What the hell is an idol performer and can I? JIll Oh my God, how to even begin to describe idol culture in Japan. It’s it’s insane. Dion And was this going on like in that era? Was this happening in the 100% and do you all think that that? Speaker 4 Yes. Ohh 100. JIll 100% and it is so toxic. Dion Idol culture is to blame for like Spice Girls and bands like that. Speaker 4 It’s. Quinny Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean. Dion There we go. JIll It’s it’s all just capitalism. So I mean, I don’t groups idol groups are set up by management corporations in World Korea’s most popular now K pop groups, and they just seem to churn them out. But you have them. Quinny I I don’t. Yeah, it’s capitalist. Yeah. Telling beautiful young women. JIll Management group that will put together different performers. And like whoever’s the most successful wins, the most amount of money, but they’re so strict on their. Their. Stable of stars on what you can do in your private lives because as an idol you have to be looked at as clean, pure, and absolutely able to. Like insert that person into your life as like your girlfriend. Yeah. So they cannot have any kind of attachments. Yeah. Or be seen in public with with men. Dion This is the. This is the beginning of parasocial relationship building. Quinny Well, 100%, in fact, 1000%. Let’s go *******. Let’s go even further, yes. JIll Speaker Yeah. JIll Yeah. Quinny I’ve I’ve had the the joy and I will say joy of working with quite a lot of idols here in Australia. So I’ve done idol festivals in Brisbane. I’ve also hosted idol events here in Sydney. If you go to something like smash you will find that there are idle. Performances. So to anyone who’s been to a supernova or anything like that, you would have seen. In these large groups of girls in similar costumes that will go up and they’ll sing a song or that they will mime in a lot of cases to a song from. Speaker Lip sync. Sing. Quinny Sorry. Lip sync. Sorry. Thank you. Sorry. My apologies. There are gonna be there. Gonna be some angry ******* idols. Speaker Cream. Quinny That may have. To this, I’m sorry. Every ponies. But yeah, like they will go up. They will do highly choreographed dance numbers. That and lip sync to these backing tracks and they’ll be, you know, thousands of different songs that they choose, but they’ll each take them apart and they’ll they’ll lip sync their beat. And then they’ll do the choreography, move around, and you will have. People in in the the audience just losing their ****. Yeah, like they have these glow sticks. I know they’re not actually called glow sticks. They’ve got a special name that they can change the colors of. And you will check. JIll Yes. So if you’re like your girl is 1 colour, you turn on your wand to be that colour and then you do the little waves and do you have choreographed ones? Yeah, yeah. Quinny And there are there are specifically. There are calls and responses so that they’re seeing something you seeing. Thing back it’s and then they know when they’ve gotta rush towards the stage and wave their things at them and then go back. It is the IT is a highly controlled parasocial relationship that. Dion Do you feel like any of the helicopter landing zones really don’t like this kind? Of stuff. Quinny No. There are helicopters coming in on idle performances all over the place. It’s a real problem. Yeah, but this is kind of where this is coming from. So yeah. Speaker 4 Yeah. JIll It’s an interesting exploration, like at that point in time. Of what idol culture was like in terms of the fandom and seeing like how toxic the men can be, because there’s a lot of commentary throughout this film of background characters that are, you know, making very suggestive comments about their. Quinny Yeah, yeah. Speaker Hmm. JIll Idols and you know the. Quinny Yeah. JIll The language that they use is concerning because it’s it’s very possessive. Speaker Hmm. Yeah. Dion It just it goes like it has a subtle like lower, like under narrative of obsession than compulsion. Like, what does that mean? What kinds of fans that are being attracted to these sorts of? Speaker Ohh yeah. Ohh yeah. Quinny Umm. And there’s different levels of it too, because like through one of them we see like an absolutely obsessed. Who is, you know, capable of violence to protect the the his girl that he idolises. But then you get this other level, which is these other guys who will go to the the events and they’ll read the magazines about them. They will make commentary on them. They will talk about them in in, you know, fairly disparaging ways. And they’ve got this whole kind of thing of like. Ohh well yeah. She used to be great or she used to be ******* whatever, but now she’s just at a slot or whatever. And you’re like, ohh right. OK wow. There’s like, there’s different levels of toxicity. And and it ranges from people who don’t give a **** or just there to to just make a mess to people who are utterly obsessive and mentally really, really unwell. Dion Also, there’s a there’s there’s a, there’s. Quinny What? Fun time. Dion A great introduction to something which people may not have heard of. During this film, it’s this thing called the Internet. It’s a brand new. JIll Oh my God. Yeah. Dion It’s a brand new system where you can find your idle and go to a fan page run by fans about that person’s thing, and you can do that and you just have to use your mouse. JIll Yeah. Yeah, this thing called Geocities and you? Dion I know. JIll Set up your own homepage. Dion And I and I know the mouse is very complicated, but we’re here. JIll But if you put auto play music on your page, you are dead to me. Dion Yes. Quinny I love that this was like in the the earliest days of the Internet, where it’s like, yeah, we are pre Myspace, we are pre any of that. Speaker Yeah, yeah. Speaker 4 ****, this is. Dion Was it really called? Was it called the Internet in the film? I think it. Was called the World Wide Web. Speaker Oh God, yeah. Dion Www.sbeforethatallgone. Quinny Yeah, like and having having to learn to type in the actual URL’s. Ohh so URL. JIll Yeah. Oh, my God. She’s like HTTP. Wow. Dion Blowing my mind. Quinny But all also, I love that even at that stage, like, you know, nearly 30 years ago, we’re into into the same stuff that we’re into here today, we’re talking about cyber stalking. We’re talking about cyber bullying. We’re also talking about the the impression, like, sorry impersonating. Speaker Sure. Sorry. Dion I just. Quinny A A celebrity and pretending to be those people. And you’re like. What the **** is up with that? Dion I’m not meant to be disparaging. I just remembered something that I thought was quite funny. Remember when she got sent a threatening fax? Ohh, fax is coming through very slowly printing out attack. Speaker Oh. Dion It’s like the good the good old days. There was like, oh, someone has sent me a letter. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it’s a pictograph of someones ankle. Oh. Speaker Quinny Man, I remember going to the library and waiting for 10 minutes for a picture to. Load. Dion Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like, this was the kind of era. So like I found. Speaker 4 It. Dion A fascinating film because it played with so many complicated and interesting themes that I think it was way ahead of its time. Oh my God of being told through this space like through this medium through this space. JIll Well, I mean. 30 years on and we’re still having the same conversations like. Dion Sure. Yeah, yeah. Quinny Yeah, yeah. And but, but now we’re we’re far more aware of the idea is like, Ohh, cyber stalker, OK. Dion And now it’s even now it’s even worse. Like, I mean the the ability to do that and create those parasocial relationships and have band interactions is worse because of the internet’s prevalence. Quinny Social media. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and think about that. This is this is before social media. Mm-hmm. Yeah. This is in a in a space where somebody had to go to a website and update it each day. Yeah. Yeah. To. To to then pretend to be the voice of this person. Yeah, like and Casper in the chat just said something. The law has never ever really caught up to the tech, and there’s a really great podcast I listen to that talks about the reason that tech keeps outstripping and outpacing laws is because the incentives are so much higher. To keep going forwards, they don’t want to be held by laws because the incentives are money. You keep paying money, you keep making money off people, then you’ll keep going and you won’t put those safety rails in. Place. So yeah, with with ******* 30 years behind the 8 ball. That’s depressing anyway. Speaker So. Dion Should we talk? JIll What about what we liked about the film? Quinny Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 4 I mean. Dion Look, mainly it’s a really interesting situation where you’re following Mima, who is a jpop. Idol who decides to go into acting and tries to, you know, do what all kind of young starlet ish people do. They tried to create a break a schism between you know the the the Old Persona and the new look that there you see it in Hollywood all the time. You know the Hannah Montana to Miley Cyrus effect. JIll Yeah. Dion That you want to go through that one, but in this it shows the the break not only as a like a media personality, but as in their own personality. Within that, including, you know, discussions of trauma, associative identity disorder, and like all of that kind of stuff that so that’s what I really kind of liked about it. And I felt like. The trauma was interesting, and even though it was contextualized as to reasoning, why? Because it was servicing that television. It was handled in such a great way because she opted into the scene that was confronting. She opted into the photography that was ultimately exploitative. She knew what she was doing. She was taking a part of that. But the trauma and the stuff still went on with it. And in the end, she’s a very sympathetic character who I feel is destroyed by the idea of what. She wants to become, and then you’ve got all the other stuff about stalking other people with dissociative. Disorder because it’s a multi layered one as you’re watching it and there’s twists and turns. And in the end I just kind of washed it was like, wow, that just. Is perfect, you know? And I feel blue by the end of it. You know, I was kind of like, oh, that’s ******* such a sad ******* story. And yet told in such a nice cutesy animation. Happy way. Where’s my copy of where’s my where’s my copy of paprika? I’ll go watch that. JIll Yeah. Quinny Until it’s not. Dion Again. JIll Yeah, I do think it’s such a a fascinating study of a psyche because she is Dion, as you said, opting into all of these things to like better her career and try to push that forward. But like, at what cost? Is that having to her internally, like it could be said that like? Quinny Hmm. Dion Yeah. JIll Women are pressured into doing these kind of things because, you know the patriarchy. It’s like, well, girl, if you wanna go far, you’re gonna have to get your hands dirty. But like, yeah, she could be just. Putting up a a front and saying yeah, I’ll do that. Yeah, I’ll do that. But like, you internalize all that stuff that’s happening to you. It could be a simulated rape scene, but it’s still traumatizing like that. That scene is so difficult to watch, even though, you know it is staged and it’s in animation. Dion Yeah, yeah. Quinny Oh my God. Speaker Yeah. Dion Yeah, exactly. JIll So amazingly performed. Dion And also you know and those bits where it like it takes you immediately out of it during plus where they pause it and they reset a camera angle and stuff. And you’re like, and we’re going again. It’s like, oh, God. JIll Yeah, and the actors are talking to each other and saying, Oh my God. Yeah. Thank you for putting up with this. Sorry. Like, this is really awkward. It’s alright. Whatever I’m like. Ohh girl. Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah. Dion Yeah. Yeah. And then later just have a little breakdown. Fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just have a little bit of. JIll Little minty bee. Quinny I’m a little minty bee and there’s even I mean the the something that I think we’ll talk about when we get to the spoiler section cause there is some some other stuff in there that I do feel like, hmm probably could be unpacked in a different way. But like, there’s the the design work I find probably the most interest. Thing in that we’re so used to anime having a particular design language like there. There are so many different types of anime. You know there is like what we saw last week. The shojo eye highlight big hair. Amazing. You know, all that kind of stuff. Speaker Ah, ah. JIll Yes, sparkles everywhere. Quinny And and then you get something that’s like Akira, where you get a much more sort of gritty, smaller characters with smaller eyes and different kind of face shapes. And then you get something like this that specifically sets out to say we’re going to be ugly when we want to be ugly. You know, we’re going to show characters who are. Dion Yeah. Quinny Really unattractive. Dion And also mess with you by making that same character in one scene look perfect and lovely and in the next scene do something or be framed in such a way that they are not. Like that? Like very smart directorial decisions in that animation. Quinny Hmm. Yeah. And then at the same time, they’re playing off the the tropes of of anime and magical girl anime and everything by having this perfect meme meme. Umm. Speaker Hmm. JIll Yeah. Quinny Sort of literally floating around through scenes looking, you know, like a perfect little idol fairy basically and. Subverting your expectations as well, like there are things that if you’ve watched a bunch of anime, you know that like you’re never going to see *******. You’re never, never gonna see anything more than that, because that’s. You know the the the trope of the magical sort of nudity or whatever. Nope. Here. It’s like, OK, we’re, we’re we’re playing it hard for realism. And and it’s I all think it’s all done to shock you. Into knowing that this is realistic. Speaker Hmm. Quinny These are these are are not just. Plastic cartoon characters. These are people who will be stabbed and will be hurt and you know, are not superpowered anyway. Shape or form? Dion Except for the hallucinogen. JIll Yeah. Dion Mima. Quinny Yes. Dion The Hallucin is she a is the hallucinated Mima who’s always perfect and always wearing the right dress and very happy and able to go through this. Quinny Hmm. Dion And everything, nothing affects that one, which is always in a reflection or stalking someone. Speaker 4 Yeah. Dion Or stabbing someone in the eye with an ice pick who ******* knows all of these great things, and I’m just very happy that they didn’t go into the like demon tentacle **** side. Yeah, because there’s a ton of. JIll We can do that next week if. Dion You like? Why not? What in Batman, Ninja, Yakuza clan or whatever that’s we’re doing. Next time. Quinny Hmm. Yes, so much you cruise. Speaker 4 Yeah. JIll Anyway, anyway, do you guys wanna talk anything more about it? Do you wanna write it? And do a. Bit of spoilery. Quinny Chat I I will mention. So I mentioned briefly about the Aronofsky thing that you know, there’s there’s an amount of question as to whether or not he’s literally ripping stuff off. But the interesting thing about it is he actually. Bought the rights to. Speaker It. Quinny So the I I’m not sure that he still holds them or not, but he bought the distribution rights to perfect blue. So he could actually use a couple of shots from it and replicated them in Requiem for a dream. Yeah. So there’s a sequence where Mima is in the bath and she she heads down in the bath and she screams. Hmm. Literally composed the exact same shots for Requiem for a dream. Speaker Right. Quinny And instead of just kind of repeating them. He pay wanted to pay rights and say I am respecting the original creator of this and and and actually paying for it. But has never admitted that blacks want he’s got anything in in relation to it and. It’s like, yeah. But have you watched the two films? JIll Sure. So would he have made those purchases post Satoshi Conn’s death? Quinny That’s a good question, because I’m not entirely sure when Requiem for a drink came out. JIll So Tosh, you gone passed in 2010. Quinny I reckon we’re during the 2000. Dion It was, yeah, just way before. JIll Then yeah. Oh, OK. Quinny So yeah, he would have done it with. A living satoshi konto. JIll Speaker Hmm. Dion Well, does does anyone want to rate this one? Quinny Yes. JIll Yeah, alright, I’m ******* going out there like I haven’t watched this in probably 20 years. Quinny Go for it, Jill. JIll Which is crazy to ******* say. Quinny Hmm. JIll Anime. So yeah, I I was glad to have watched it again. And you know what? It still holds up. I still rate it. I would definitely recommend it with warnings of course, because it’s quite graphic, but there’s just nothing bad about this movie. Quinny It. JIll Has such fascinating. Like discussions about mental health and the whole ******* idle culture. And like, if you’re new to that, it’s worth looking into because it is so bizarre and parasocial and toxic and crazy. But it’s such a beautifully crafted film. Speaker Hmm. JIll And I think it just really sets a standard that you don’t really see in Hollywood movies these days. So I I’m gonna give a. 95 because. Quinny Yeah. Nice. JIll Yeah, it I love this movie still. Speaker Hmm. Speaker 4 Interesting. Quinny Writing down numbers. Dion Look, you know, I mean, I can’t actually. Recommend the film for some of the content structure, but I can recommend the film well, not for the content, but some of the content, not the structure. The structure is great, you know, look it, it feels like it’s a bit old and dated because it is older data. It was all hand drawn. But it is always very intentional. Every shot is constructed in a specific way. It goes out of its way to do small things to small side parts and other characters and and like even scenes of like, you know, her bedroom and other places to make it unnerving and to make you doubt, to give you to give you as the viewer. Is watching the protagonist go through, make them an unreliable? Protagonist, all the while putting this kind of stuff out. And you’re you’re just worried about that person and they are a full person because they’re having all of these things that go on and you know it’s it feels data because, oh, we’re going to mention the Internet and as a new thing or where do some. Of those things come from. Quinny Going to use Netscape. Dion Yeah. Yeah. Like, I’m holding up my candy Cam to make sure I’m taking a recording of you. Yeah, like all. Of that kind of. Thing. But again, it’s great. Like I mean if they read make, you can make her a shot for shot remake and it would probably win award after award. But it’s already been made. It’s perfect blue. It’s already done. It was made in 1995. Is it difficult to watch? Yes. I think that’s because it’s done a great job of making you sympathetic. To all the characters. Because there’s always a little bit of redemptive arc across every character, so I’d be up there with with 90, but again. With with the associated warnings like probably don’t check this one on on a Sunday afternoon when your family’s around because they may not be ready. For it. Quinny No. Dion Yeah, they’re like, oh, this is a fun one. Oh, the Internet. How? Oh, yeah. Quinny Yeah, I’m. I’m very much on board with both of you guys. I think it’s it’s saying really interesting things about different types of culture. It’s, uh, the the fact that it is still totally relevant. Kind of ***** with me a little bit, to be honest. Yeah, that you know, here we are, 30 years later. We still have unhealthy fan relationships. We have parasocial relationships. It’s, if anything, it’s just gotten worse and it’s done in such a way that. The visual storytelling, so. One of the reasons I think you choose to do something animated is because the the visuals the, the that particular part of the storytelling is is important. You need the freedom of what animation gives you. And this could be a live action film, but it’s decision to be animated is just. The the right call it. It is beautifully done. It’s something I would love to see, like a a Blu-ray, like absolute pristine clean version of it. The performances are across the board. Really impressive. And yeah, it’s it’s a film that I think people will get a massive kick out of, but. Not in a fun way like in the in the same way that you watch Raccoon for a dream or you when you watch, you know. Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah. Quinny Gaspar no film or something like that. Sure you know there it will really rock your ******* world but. Because of how good it is and how well the storytelling is done and and how much you engage with the character like. And and therefore, as things go further and further and further, you’re like, holy ****, I don’t know where I am anymore. And you feel for that character all the more. It’s spectacular. Yeah. It’s 95 for me as well. Joe. I’m. I’m like, yeah, I really, really could not think of much to say other than I would love to see. It cleaned up high def, you know. JIll Yeah, yeah. I gotta say, like the one fault at the moment is it’s very difficult to find on a streaming service. Quinny Yeah, yeah. It’s it’s criminally hard to find. JIll Yeah, it is criminally hard, yeah. Dion But not impossible. Thanks to the Internet. JIll No, that’s true. I did find a 4K version, but. Quinny Ohh, you said a 4K holy ****. JIll But still like but still like this. Should be on a streaming platform. It’s it’s. Yeah, it’s a shame that it’s not in front of more eyes. Quinny Absolutely. Yeah, like I look at it and I think the, the, the classics of anime, you know you go back, you can find a a pristine version of Akira. So you can you like that’s been upscaled. It’s been 4K, it’s been redone, you know and and cleaned up 100 times. Speaker Oh yeah. Dion I’m just messaging the bulletin boards. For an S VHS copy of it from another land. So what we’re. Doing. Quinny Ah, I would love to see that. Dion Well, we’re going to go to a clip and then we’ll come back and you said could you add some more things you wanted to talk about in the in a bit of a spoilery section. So I know there’s some people in the chat who haven’t seen it and may not want to stick around for the spoilery thing. That’s OK don’t worry. This clip is mainly imagery heavy and not a lot of dialogue and. Quinny I just had a. Couple of things I wanted to talk about. Speaker Yeah. Dion This is what about the dual live. So this is part of Mima as she’s you’re kind of just hanging out on the train and things are starting to blur and she doesn’t really know where she is at what day it is or whatever. She’s doing so. Enjoy the imagery. Speaker And that. OK. Speaker 4 Speaker You know. Dion Of course, there we go. Yes, the slow dissolve into regret and blurred lives between regular boring life and your old pop life and yeah. That’s fine. Quinny I love. I love that there’s a point where she’s working on the TV show double-blind and there there are a couple of actors in that that she’s like, so impressed with that that they can be so comfortable and having a great time and then just drop straight into character immediately and then the rest of the film, there’s this, this jumping. I mean. Is she in a character? Is she not in a character? Is she really? Is she not? And I I that like. I love the fact that there’s so many themes that that are running through it and they’re themes of of, you know, voyeurism and there’s themes of. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Aggression and themes of ownership, like you know, the idea that somebody owns your image and especially her, does she own her own image. Dion Yeah. And which was, which is the life, you know, like, I mean the the clip we just saw was about Mima, who’s going through the the motions of a regular life now. She’s not the idol anymore, but she’s thinking about it all the time. The time I used to be on stage and people used to cheer for me. Well, exclusively men, because it goes out of its way to show that the people who go to these things just men. Quinny It’s. Dion And some men are just weirdos and wanna watch you and cheer for you and other ones just get drunk and like to Heckle you because that’s what they do. Quinny Mm-hmm. Dion And which is better? Quinny And there’s a. Then there’s a bunch of them who wanna look at you naked, and you know the the sleazy magazines and. All that gross ****. Dion Yeah. And then you get a stalker. Who? Who perhaps is being talked to by the real. Speaker Hmm. Dion Mima, who needs you to kill the fake Mima? Quinny Hmm. Dion I need to kill the Prime Minister of Micronesia, which is a flippant way of like a very. Dark subject, yes, yeah. Because, like you also gotta remember that there was a serial murderer murderer at loose, like in this. In like the real world? Or is there? JIll Or is there? Quinny Yeah. Or is there and that that was the thing I wanted to talk about like because we’re we’re deep, we’re right in spoiler section. We’re all good. Speaker 4 Or is it another hallucination? Dion Yeah, yeah, there’s a spoiler. That’s fine. Quinny With that, OK. So the there’s a point in the film where they like the murders start happening and you suddenly are thrown this thing of going ohh ****. Hang on, is it actually Mima? Who is committing the murders and is she going out? And you know, stabbing these people. And then there’s a part where the narrative of the TV show. JIll Exactly. It’s like or is she projecting what’s happening in the television series into her life? Dion Exactly. Quinny Yeah. Or is that actually there’s no TV series, is it in fact that that she is somebody who has been sexually assaulted on a stage? Dion Exactly. Is she? Speaker Yeah. Quinny And has now completely reverse engine. Yeah, yeah. And reverse engineered an entire history for. JIll Disassociated. Yep. Quinny Herself. That is her as a TV star and all of this is just TV and it’s not real. And she could also be a a, an idol, but maybe she’s not. Maybe she’s somebody who wanted to be those things and was assaulted. And. And I was watching it going ****. Dion Me, but the thing I want to know is are all are all the fish really dead? Quinny Wow. Dion Because that’s the whole thing, too. She’s in fish. JIll Yeah. And like has. Dion In her apartment. JIll She made-up the stalker. Has she made-up her manager? Like, do those people exist? Are they projections of her imagined reality? Like, was it really her that she was fighting herself? Or was it the manager like you? Speaker Yep. Speaker 4 Hmm. JIll Just still don’t know. Dion Was she? Was she even in the three girl K pop band? Or was it just her, you know, or J pop? Yeah, like it’s, it’s it, it it goes out of its way to provide you with like it gets more and more interesting as the narrator becomes more and more unreliable as we’re going through until the end, when you find out there was a twist and that’s kind of what it is. And then of course, right at the end, it decides to just throw that to the *******. You know. Dogs again at the end with the last shot of her looking in the mirror going. No, I’m. The Real 1 and you’re like. JIll What the ****? Yeah. Yeah. It’s like it’s also like inception where you know, the final scenery spins the top and you never get to find out if the top kept spinning or if it fell. And so you just kind of left with this oblique. Dion That’s hot, man. Quinny Hmm. Speaker Yeah. Dion It’s great. Speaker Ending. Dion And is she like this? That’s the thing that I thought was so, So what I thought was so interesting is that she is either a serial murderer. Because of past trauma or she’s a victim of a identity thief who’s trying to subvert and supplant her because they want that life and it never actually tells you which one is the real narrative. And that’s kind. Speaker Hmm. JIll Yeah. I think that’s just what is so juicy about this movie is that it gives you. Dion Of. Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. JIll Like 5 different scenarios and never actually tells you which one was real. Dion Yeah, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s there’s a plausibility factor because it keeps moving through and like, I mean I’ve I’ve read a couple of those, you know, like deep dives into it explains that it went in there and I was going. Yeah. But I mean, that’s kind of like, I mean, you know, one of the ones I liked most actually was the one that said, like, I’ll wait for the flash. There’s always a transitional flash. Quinny Blaine is. Dion When like of just a white screen. That either it’s a reflection of of something like a train goes past, or the window closes, or a car headlight comes through and that’s the signifier of the change of personality. JIll Yeah. Quinny Ohh OK. Dion And I was like ohh interesting, that’s kind of good. So you can go back and watch it. So that’s yeah, this is kind of why I was like ohh perfect blue. I’m gonna watch this. It’s highly red. Yeah. Ohh this is confronting a sucked but wow, this is actually really, really good. Like, there’s a lot of stuff going on in here but. Speaker Yes. Yeah. Speaker 4 It’s. Quinny Good. Yeah. Yeah. And the. The. Rhyming couplets of scenes too that you know the the weird stalker guy who. Me mania. Yeah, like is shows up in the backgrounds of things, but then is probably a stalker. But then you put him alongside the person who may have been going out of their way to try to. I mean, I know we’re in spoilers here, but I still feel like I don’t want to. No way too much, but like the the the fact that the animation is so specific about body types as well. Is really interesting that that, you know Mimi’s body type is not always what the the the alternate version of her is. And is it this person, is it not this person like it’s so as I was saying in the the break, it’s so ******* cinematic. Like it’s. Doing so much with its visual language that it it wants you to, it ******* challenges you. Look away ****** ******. I dare you because you’re gonna miss something and you’re gonna and you’re gonna get a totally different story. And the fact that this 30 ******* years old or near near enough just. Kicks my ***. Yeah, like, I mean, there are great films from, you know, Hitchcock and all those kind of directors and stuff out there that are. Dion Yeah. JIll Oh, sure, yeah. Quinny Much, much older. Whatever this. Yeah, I don’t know. You could have released this now and just a couple of tweaks. To the the the communication methods. You know, update your Internet stuff. JIll Yeah. Yeah, make it a social media account rather than like a homepage and. Dion But don’t leave it existing as it is because I feel like that’s the thing that that hits us straight away. It was like, yeah, we still talk about the same ****. Speaker 4 Yeah. JIll Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. I think that’s what Connie’s point was, is that it’s. Speaker 5 Hey. JIll Still relevant today. Quinny Yeah. I mean, Chris, we last year we watched Smile too, which you know was kind of cut from the same piece of cloth, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker Yeah. Dion And really loud. I’m true. Oh. Quinny Yeah, I’m. Yeah, I’m actually while I was watching it. I’m like Jesus. ****, man. I wasn’t expecting this. And I’m feeling kind of a little. And. Violently overwhelmed by the film and there was a part of me that was like Dion. Speaker 4 This. Quinny What have you done? Dion I fell into it absolutely accidental. It’s kind of like throwing a dart at a dartboard and I hit 1 and I was like, oh, wow, Bullseye. Quinny And then afterwards, I was like, I’m really glad. I watched it. Like. Like Super, Super glad that I watched it and because, yeah, well, I guarantee you back in the day, back in 97, whatever this would have been, one of those things that people kind of. Talked about shared in their anime clubs, but as much as anything else it would have been like her, her her animated. Speaker *****. JIll Yeah. Quinny You know that like there, there’s that thing that like when anime was sort of making the the way over to the UK and everything. It was very much about adult content, but animated Manga Entertainment was all about ohh look at this lascivious stuff, isn’t it? JIll Yeah. Dion Yeah. Quinny Shocking. So I I guarantee you that there’d be a lot of people who were looking at this just going ohh and not really understanding half of what’s going on. Dion And more full than. JIll Yeah, but they would have been cutting through to those scenes like they wouldn’t have been skipping over the actual content, but at the same time, I think, you know, I think there were taste levels to weeds. Back then, and I don’t think it was like people knew what ****** was, and so they were seeking that out. They weren’t watching like Art house anime to see. Speaker *****. JIll You know. Dion No. No, this this one would definitely have. JIll There was specific content just for that. Dion Yeah. Des Mangan would have been fine putting this on SBS. JIll No 100%. Dion You know. Yeah. Not worried about going all the sensors all go. I was like, no, no, this is. Quinny Yeah. Dion An art house film. It’s. Yeah, and that’s it. It’s good. Quinny It feels very much at home on SBS on on a Saturday night, like the kind of thing that you would have watched and if you were on. JIll I’m pretty sure what it was. Quinny Yeah, yeah. JIll I’m sure it was. Quinny Like I, I now want to Google. It and find. Out. And so I should. Dion Right. Any anything else about perfect blue go see. It. It’s not a perfect film. It’s good film. Quinny I mean, can we see if you can? Yeah. Yeah. And I and I have to say it. JIll That’s great. Great. Speaker 4 People could find. Dion It I. I have faith in our audience. Quinny The only version I could find. Was the English one. JIll No. Quinny And and I will tell you some of those songs are ******* terrible. Ohh God lying. I was. I was looking at it and I I found the version and I was like ohh OK sweet. And was getting ready to cause cause I knew it was a a good film. I was like I’m not even. I’m gonna put my phone aside. I’m not gonna cook while I do this. I’m actually going to watch the. ******* film properly. Dion Right. And you still watch the ******* dub. Quinny And I was like, where’s my ******* where’s my? Speaker 4 Shift, shift, shift. ****. You should have. Dion Gone there. You should have watched the dub and then put on the Japanese subtitles and translated them yourselves. Quinny There were no ******* subtitles like the file I got had no subtitles and had no. Japanese audio I was like. JIll Ohh damn, I’ll send you a link for. Speaker Ohh. JIll A better one. Dion Oh. Oh, nice. Just before we go because we’re about out of time. What? Anything else coming up this week that you’re excited for? Apart from next week, what are we doing next week? Quickly. Quinny Yeah. Oh well. JIll The finale of the last. Of us, it’s the last. Quinny It’s the last of the last. Dion Of us, it’s the Last of Us. The the is it? No, it’s not the. Speaker 4 Finale next week? Yeah, it’s a short season. Yep. Super, Super short season. They’re doing another season, yes. JIll Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Yes it is. Speaker Yep. Dion Right. OK, that’s annoying. Yeah, there’s a story. Yeah, definitely not at the end. Point no. Right. OK. Quinny Yeah, yeah, I was. I was listening to an interview with Craig Mason. Recently, who was like, yeah. We can do seasons as long as we feel like, and this particular season needed to. Only be 7 episodes. And I was like, ************. JIll I’ve been listening to the podcast and they were like, we’re not going to sacrifice our storytelling for the sake of are we going to get another season and just like, shove stuff in. So we’re going to draw it out. But no, they have been. Renewed for Four Seasons, I think. Speaker Or. Quinny Yeah. Ohh ****. I thought they only got 3. I really. Speaker 4 Is that right? Hmm. JIll I don’t know well in the podcast they were saying, you know, season 3. Or season 4. And I’m like ohh. Did they get 4? Maybe they did. Holy ****. Dion Ooh, well, if they can give freaking game. Of Thrones 8. And then make a sequel that’s a prequel and then make a a a sequel to the prequel, which is another prequel. JIll Ohh Casper says he heard Four Seasons as well. Quinny Holy ****, that’s a that’s a weird choice. Dion Right. Quinny Cause the games very. Limited. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Right. JIll But they’re like they’ve been chopping stuff. Up all over. This season, that hasn’t been like lineal to the game, so they could do whatever they want. Quinny They can. They. Yeah. Absolutely they can. Yeah. It’s an interesting choice. And like, thus far, they have been keeping very tightly to the game pacing. So I was kind of, I’d be like, oh, OK, interesting. JIll Caster. That’s an understatement, bro. It’s been phenomenal. I cried last episode. Speaker 4 Yeah. Quinny I haven’t watched this week yet. I’ve been. Waiting until I can watch it with my my lovely partners. Dion I’ve just been waiting and waiting until I can watch the last final Mission Impossible Film, which I haven’t got around. JIll Ohh no. Ohh I got a text from her mum today. She said her and. Dion To yet. I. JIll Dad went and saw it, she said. It was so good. Like, yeah, but you like. Dion Ah. JIll Slop so yeah. Dion Yes. Feed little peas, man. Quinny I have. I have been so completely unenthused by watching this last one. I can’t remember a single thing that happened in the. JIll Previous film, it was so ridiculous, that’s all. Dion He yeah rode A motorbike off a Cliff and then paraglided down onto a train. Quinny That’s all I remember. Yeah, that’s the only thing I remember about the film. I think there was some kind. Of key that looked like. A cross? I don’t know. Yeah, yeah. Dion And Captain Britain was. In it and. JIll Had to put the two keys together to make them make a key. I don’t. Yeah. You’re ******* key. Yes. Dion They haven’t. They haven’t made a bigger key. Quinny Blah blah ******* blah stunts stunt. JIll You ******* hilarious. Speaker 5 Stunt. Dion Yeah. Scene stunt scene. Scene. Steam stunt. Quinny Stunts. Yeah, I don’t. I don’t care about it. Speaker Yeah. Dion Staging the scene. Speaker 4 Oh. Quinny I will say something that’s come out in the last couple of days that is quite a. Lot of fun. Speaker 4 The new series of Love, Death and robots. Speaker Oh. Quinny Yeah. Is is on Netflix at the moment. I’ve watched a couple of them and as per usual, they’re ******* crazy. First one I watched is is a just a live performance of the. Red Hot Chili Peppers, but they’re animated as if they were marionette puppets. Ohh, it’s very strange, but that’s kind of love death and robots for you. It’s just like, Yep. Cool. OK, whatever. Dion Lovely girl was his art project. Quinny I do think we are. Are we gonna talk about like, the full wrap up of Andor at some point, Dion? Dion Well, I mean anime. Is soon to close, and then we can go on to. The June selection, and perhaps I mean, I don’t know if you want to, that’s fine. But I think I’ve been gunked enough recently. To just go shut the ****. Up about and old man. Speaker 4 Ohh I don’t wanna shut the ****. Quinny Up about it. Good, good, Andy. Dion Owned only if we can do season like the end of end or like all of end or season 2 and then talk about Rogue One. Quinny Rogue. JIll Yeah, because as soon as I finished those last three episodes, I immediately. Dion Is that OK one? Speaker 4 Mm-hmm. Dion Did you go back and? Speaker 4 Watch 100% right 100%. Speaker Broke. JIll Yeah. And you know what? I hated it when I first saw it, but now I have such a better. Appreciation for that. Quinny Movie. It was. We are going to talk about this properly. I’ll hold back on all my thoughts on it. But 100% Jill, one ******* 100% and or actually changes that film. Oh yeah. Dion Yeah. Sure. Quinny It makes it a different film, and that’s pretty ******* incredible. Speaker Yeah. JIll Yeah. Speaker Hmm. Dion And do you think it made it good or good or or or? Lesser. JIll Ohh good or? Quinny Good or 100%? Like if I yeah. Dion Olgar. Quinny It does, I’ve I’ve. I’ve written many things on the Internet because currently on threads I’m like and or ******* yeah type type, type, type. JIll Well, maybe we do like in June, we do a Last of Us season 2 wrap up in an end or season. Two wrap up. Quinny Hmm yeah, I like this. Dion Yes. Let’s go Apocalypse Daddy and. Space uncle. JIll Space. Yeah. Yeah, we already have a space daddy, but he could be the uncle. Dion I can call you space uncle. Yeah, yeah, he could be. He could be space Uncle Cassie and Casa. Speaker Yeah. Quinny Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don’t. I don’t know whether everybody’s getting sick of us doing wrap ups of TV shows or not. Dion All right. There’s just so many wrap ups I know. Can we like, what if we do a wrap up in the style of rap? JIll Not a content though. Quinny No, no, no. Dion We have to wrap this up. No, no. JIll Quinny Hmm. We have been talking anime. We mixed it. Dion Up. Yeah, we did. We did like a new anime and a classic one. We’ve just finished and now quinny. JIll We’re gonna watch *** **** awful anime. Dion Next week, next week, 20. What are we reviewing? Quinny We we are reviewing and I’ve gotta find the exact title because I don’t want to ****. It up because. It is dumb. Where is it? Where is it? It is Batman. Ninja. This is Yakuza league, so not Justice League, Yakuza League, so yeah. Dion We did. We did a we did a. Newer Anime classic anime. JIll Did a good one a great one and yeah. Dion In an American. JIll The good, the bad and the ugly. Quinny Way for. **** is this? Yes. Dion And A and an and an American interpretation of what an anime is. Quinny 100%. JIll I know it’s as good as like the animatrix either. Quinny No, I mean it is done by a a Japanese company. It it is in Japanese, it is like it’s an anime, it just. Happens to be using American characters and designs and. I’m sorry. I’m so sorry. Dion Sure, I have a fit. Yeah, we’ll we’ll see. We’ll see what happens. Come back. Yeah. Come back next week and then. And while we look at that one. Can’t wait for that one. Quinny See, This is why we haven’t been getting the numbers that we normally get because we don’t. We’re not enthused. Come on back for Batman ninja versus Yakuza League. You like the Batman ninja? Which 5? Speaker Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Quinny Of you did then. You will love Batman ninja versus Yakuza league. Dion Yeah, probably fantastic. Quinny Right. Dion All right. And thanks for everyone joining us in the chat. You’ve been great and hopefully we’ve committed you to go and see perfect blue in like a. Quinny Oh. 100% If you can if you can. Find it being Archer. Dion Big party. Yeah. And we’ll do and again, if there’s anything you want us to review, there’s no. Is there something we’ve missed? Speaker Yeah. JIll Yeah. What other shows do you want? Speaker Hmm. JIll Us to wrap up. Quinny We could wrap the **** out of so much TV. Dion Yes, we will wrap the **** out of all the TV, but until then, we’re going to go and have a good, fun rest of your week and. We’ll see you. Speaker 4 Next time next Tuesday. Thanks, everybody. OK, yeah. Speaker Bye.